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From: "Dunbar" <dunbar@northwest.net>
To: <dunbar@northwest.net>
Date: 2/15/2005 2:35:25 PM
Subject: Parli Pro E Bulletin #17
PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE E BULLETIN # 17
Volume 5, Number 1 (February 14, 2005)
This is a FREE quarterly publication (Mid February, May, August and
November) by Shane D. Dunbar (MEd), Professional Registered
Parliamentarian
and Accredited Parliamentarian, that is designed to be FORWARDED to FFA
Chapter Advisors.
==> ANNOUNCEMENTS
==> PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE SITES WORTH VISITING
==> QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
==> TIP ON TRAINING A TEAM FROM A NATIONAL WINNER
==> SEND COMMENTS REGARDING THIS BULLETIN TO: dunbar@northwest.net
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ANNOUNCEMENTS
**L@@K==>>FREE Motion Cards For State FFA Officers
STATE advisors may contact the author (dunbar@northwest.net) for
a free, wallet size card for each State officer featuring rules for
25 motions. A complete description of the card, "Basic Rules For Motions,"
is at www.northwest.net/parli pro. Offer expires March 1, 2005.
**What Matters (Author unknown)
"One hundred years from now, it will not matter what kind of car I drove,
what
kind of house I lived in, how much money I have in my bank account, nor
what
my
clothes looked like. But the world may be a little better becasue I was
important in the life of a child."
**A Parliamentary Procedure Myth (Kim Goldsworthy, PRP, National
Parliamentarian,
2nd quarter, 2004)
"Minutes must be approved before the actions become official, or take
effect."
False. To approve the minutes is to approve the record, not the actions.
Motions become effective immediately upon adoption unless a rule or
proviso
says otherwise. The act of delaying the approval of minutes will not delay
the enforceability of the policies so adopted.
**Is There A Difference between a motion that is "pending" and a motion
that
is "on the floor?" (http://www.nancysylvester.com/index.html)
When a motion is "pending," it is also considered to be "on the floor."
These terms are interchangeable. Saying that the motion is on the floor is
symbolic of having the motion before the members so that they can discuss
and fix it.
**Must the chair always call for the negative vote?
Yes, the chair should call for the negative vote no matter how unanimous
the
vote may appear. This rule is commonly relaxed, however, in the case of
noncontroversial motions of a complimentary or courtesy nature. However,
if any one member objects, the chair must take the negative vote.
[RONR (10th ed.), p. 43, l. 15 20]
**Corrections In The Official FFA Reference Tenth Edition of Robert's
Rules
Of Order Newly Revised
The fifth (and subsequent) printings of the Tenth Edition of Robert's
Rules
of Order Newly Revised contain a number of corrections. (It's easy to tell
what "printing" of the 10th edition you have: on the back of the title
page,
it is the first number on the bottom line.)
p. 688, under "Power of attorney in voting": strike out "PROXY" and insert
"also Proxy voting"
p. 690, under "Question [/] of privilege": strike out "also"
p. 692, under "Recommit, motion to": strike out "also"
**What Happens To A Motion That Is Adopted Without A Second?
If a motion is considered and adopted without having been seconded even in
a case where there was no reason for the chair to overlook this
requirement the absence of a second does not affect the validity of the
motions adopted. [RONR (10th ed), p.35, l. 32 and p.36, l. 2]
**Mind Bender (www.parlipro.org/)
Question: If the underlying motion requires a 2/3 vote, does a motion to
amend the underlying motion also require a 2/3 vote or is a majority vote
on
the amendment sufficient?
(Answer is listed at the end of this E Bulletin
**Test Your Knowledge (from Dunbar's Manual of Parliamentary Procedure
Test
Questions)
Which of the following is NOT an Incidental Motion?
A. Point of Order
B. Parliamentary Inquiry
C. Postpone Indefinitely
D. Division of the Assembly
(Answer is listed at the end of this E Bulletin)
**Brainteaser (www.jimslaughter.com/)
Question: A motion is laid on the table by an organization that follows
Robert=s Rules of Order Newly Revised (10th Edition). Later in the same
meeting, a motion to take from the table is made, seconded, and defeated.
Another matter of business is then taken up. How long must a member wait
before again moving to take from the table (or should the motion to take
from the table be reconsidered?)?
(Answer is listed at the end of this E Bulletin)
**The Chair's Participation In Voting
The chair votes when there is a ballot and when his/her vote
will change the results.
If a motion requires a majority and the vote is a tie, it is lost.
The chair may vote in the affirmative and thus causing the vote
to be adopted.
If the affirmative vote exceeds the negative vote by one vote, the chair
can
vote in the negative causing the motion to not be adopted by creating a
tie.
**From the National FFA Parliamentary Procedure CDE
Superintendent (Dr. Jim Connors: connors.49@osu.edu)
The revised rules for the National FFA Parliamentary Procedure CDE
(2006 2010) will be available on the 2005 2006 Local Program Resource
Guide CD ROM that is distributed to all agriculture teachers during the
summer of 2005.
The Society for Agricultural Education
Parliamentarians, is open for enrollment. The object of the
organization is to promote the study and use of parliamentary
procedure in agricultural education programs. There is currently
no membership fee to join the society. Contact Dr. Connors at
connors.49@osu.edu for details on joining.
You can become an "Accredited Parliamentarian" through
the Society for Agricultural Education Parliamentarians.
Contact Dr. Connors at connors.49@osu.edu for details.
PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE SITES WORTH VISITING:
http://www.nancysylvester.com/docs/Resources/glossary.html (Parliamentary
Procedure Glossary)
http://www.northwest.net/parli pro ( Click on "FFA CDE Main Motions" on
the
Main Menu for a list of 50 Main Motions that can be used for training a
team)
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS:
One question is answered on each E Bulletin. Send it to
dunbar@northwest.net. If a question that was submitted does not
appear on an E Bulletin, it will be answered personally by
E mail. All answers are based on the 10th edition of Robert's Rules
of Order Newly Revised (RONR).
Q: At a recent meeting a member was elected to two offices.
The president then held another election to see which office the
member was to hold, since he could not serve both.
Was this the proper procedure?
A: It depends on if the member who was elected to both offices was
present.
If the member was present, he/she should choose which office to accept. If
the member was not present, another vote should be taken to decide which
office the member would be elected to. [RONR (10th ed.), po. 425, l. 33 35
and p. 426, l. 1 6]
TIP ON TRAINING A TEAM FROM A NATIONAL WINNER
Review the score sheet with team members so they will know
exactly how they will be evaluated.
Answer to Mind Bender
Regardless of the vote required on the adoption of a motion, a motion to
amend only requires a majority vote. This is true, for example, on
proposed
amendments to bylaws. Even through the adoption of the amendment to the
bylaws requires a two thirds vote, a motion to amend it takes a majority
vote.
[RONR (10th ed.), p. 128, l. 22 24]
Answer to Test Your Knowledge Question
C, page 60
Answer to Brainteaser
Answer: The motion to take from the table cannot be reconsidered. "A
motion to Take from the Table that has failed can be renewed after
disposal
of the business that was taken up following rejection of the motion." [RONR
(10th ed.), p. 329, l. 9 11]
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